We are wondering when and why we want to use cheaters. I understand it helps to reduce the gripper bite but when running with guides I am wondering if it will help registration and how. At times when running with guides we get an little pop or bounce off the head, not always but it bugs me when it happens. We are wondering if the cheaters would cut down on the push of the head guide by changing where the sheet is and thus limit the possible bounce. The problem is we don’t know what the cheaters are really used for.

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With guides, the cheaters are used with the extended gauge to give you less gripper space. They should be used together for registration. Also, if you have a sheet that’s too short to hit the end stop, that would be the time to use this set up.

As a windmill user can you tell me or show me what a cheater is. Its not a term I am familiar with.

Can you explain the extended gauge. I am not sure what you are referring to.

They are also called hangers. Here’s a pix of the extended guide. T 0278 F

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Dennis - thank you for the fast reply. I actually looked up what a cheater was and realized I have one - and that the problem only one( currently a windmill stir stick for now). I also looked up what the extended guide was, saw the part and the correct part number in the book. I understand how the regular side guide comes up through the gripper to register the sheet as the gripper releases while uses guides. I can’t figure how the extended guide registers. The only thing I could not figure is it wraps around the end of the gripper where as the regular guide comes up through the slot in the gripper. I have run some small sheets and wished a lower position guide existed. Now I wonder if this it it, if I just can make no sense of how it works. I can see a pic in the book showing the cheaters in place and a 50 year pic talking about and showing what I am sure is the extended guide raised in register. I have a better idea of how this works. Thanks for feedback, I dont think I ever would have put 2 + 2 together and got 4.

Will the extended guide work with brass guides?

I’ve used this set up with brass and nickel.

Do you know a good place to buy parts?

I refer to cheaters as a piece (or two) of cardboard leading taped to the feed table headboard in between the blast tubes.
Tape needs to be low enough so that blast is not blocked.
This will sometimes allow you to number a job that has
the spot where the customer wants the number too high on the form (and they refuse to lower it despite “polite explanation/s”).
Of course, this method can introduce problems with the
grippers grabbing the stock properly. I have, for the most part, phased this approach out.

Thank you all for the feedback. MikeH. - I spray glued some chipboard and glued that to some crack n peel and cut it into strips. Looks like it will work, will need to give it a try.

I bought both parts from Whittenburg.

Dennis Brian - Thanks again for the feedback. I used the cheaters for the first time on a numbering job. I was a little chicken at first, I thought it would affect my feeding but actully the forms fed better than normal. They work great to allow me to get the number head up higher on the sheet which was always a challange.