bearings for my 12x18 Kluge

If the Kluge bearing dimensions are the same as the C&P Craftsman models then they are very difficult to find. Do you have measurements for the bearings you need?

Brad.

Go to Ebay and enter “kluge” in the search box. One of the sellers lists bearings from time to time. You might contact one of them and ask if they have any.

How many do you need?

Not to hijack this thread, but I’ve always wondered what the bearings were for. I assume the fit the recess in the roller saddles. Do they prevent wear or facilitate rotation?

My Kluges only came with 1 roller bearing. :(

Do they prevent wear or facilitate rotation?

They are mostly designed to prevent wear. The ball bearings themselves will come out of round, retainer assemblies will corrode and break, long before the races of the bearing let alone roller saddle or journal begin to show any wear.

On older platens, there is a direct bearing surface between roller core and saddle arm, I think these are called plain bearings or journal bearings. Unless perfectly machined and tirelessly lubricated, these wear down and cause grooves in roller cores and dangerously thin roller saddles.

I’m not an expert on the physics of it, but maybe in a perfect world both bearing styles would rotate with the same resistance, but I’m sure in most practical situations (where we haven’t quite done our duty with respect to lubrication, or if there is any amount of wear to the system) a ball bearing will offer less resistance than a direct bearing on the journal of the roller.

I’m surprised to hear that these bearings could be hard to find. Are they ball bearings? I would understand if for some reason Kluge installed tapered roller bearings or conical bearings on its rollers that they would be tricky, but seems to me ball bearings should be in a steady supply in almost all sizes… If not, someone should contact a bearing supplier and get a bunch made up to sell, probably at least wouldn’t be a money-loser.

They’re ball bearings and they’re a size I’ve never seen offered before—I’ve checked bearing suppliers as well as McMaster-Carr and Grainger. I’ve thought about having a batch custom made, but only after I’ve exhausted all options. I don’t have the measurements here, but can provide them later tonight or tomorrow.

Brad.

they are a special bearing. mostly just a really old style. i can get them.. they are pricy at $30 a piece plus shipping. you need to post the shaft diameter just to be sure. or better take a picture of the bearing you want… the ones i send you would be NOS…

Looks like mine are 9/16” ID & 1 1/8” OD.

I didn’t see the width mentioned, but I’ll take a stab at it and say 9/16”

9/16” ID x 1 1/8” OD x 9/16” Wide… this is indeed the same size bearing as on the C&P Craftsman. It took me a while to find a source for mine (a 12”x18” C&P Craftsman) but eventually I found them manufactured by General Bearing & distributed by Applied Industrial Technologies.

Here are some Links:

(Applied.com: Online Ordering & Local Branches)
http://www.applied.com/apps/commerce/catalog/catalog.do?e=10&s=3043023&r...

(General Bearing: Product Information)
http://catalog.generalbearing.com/db/service?domain=generalbearing&comma...

-Jason

Jason,

Looks about right by my measurements. Though the width is a little weird, with the inner ring being wider than the outer “track” of the bearing.

I’m definitely going to try and source some, since the main thing I’m worried about on my Kluge is saddle wear. The previous owner never seemed to have used the bearings, so I have a notch in the center of the saddle, and the additional room worn to the sides allows the roller to shift from one side to the other while traveling. Inner saddle (where the bearings fit) is virtually unworn.

Yea, the inner race might look a little off if you measure it directly - this is due to the construction on this type of bearing. The inner race is two peices that are pressed together, one being swedged/belled out to retain the second.

I have to say, with mine, I wasn’t horribly impressed with the quality of construction for the price at first (most modern bearings are fully ground). But they haven’t failed me yet & continue to do their job (roll smooth). This is an older style bearing (size/standard wise) & one that’s just intended to have larger clearances/more play.

PS: you can order these direct from Applied via that first link I sent (enter quantity & add are over on the right hand side)

thanks to all for the tips - I’ll let you know how I make out

how you doing on the bearings?

I’ll chime in that I ordered 3 for my Kluge from applied, and couldn’t be happier. They’re nice, metal bearings that fit. They also arrived 2 days after I placed my order, which was surprisingly simple since I had spent almost a full day driving around town to bearing shops looking for a matching part… with no success.

After I recover my next pair of rollers, I imagine I’ll order another set of 4 to run all four rollers on the press.

James Beard
Vrooooom Press
www.vrooooom.org

Does anyone know if the bearings are the same for a 10x15 Kluge as for a 12 x18 Kluge?

Thank you!

i am sending some bearings out to a customer…. will update

I’m so glad this topic has already been covered, I could have written the OP’s op almost word for word! Same press, same previous usage. I’ll check out Applied. Thanks for saving me the legwork, folks!

If Applied doesn’t have them, Kluge parts does. Kinda pricey but if you were to put a drop of oil in them once a month, they should last forever. This is a very old bearing and mostly discontinued. Kluge has to order 5000 at a time to get them made to specs. They tried more current substitutes only to fail very quickly.

If anyone is looking for info on this, Applied no longer has them, Kluge is the place to get them.

is that Kluge in Canada, I was thinking they got bought out by Mark Andy. is that who has them.

Yes. They are owned now by Mark Andy. Kluge parts now come out of St. Louis, MO. Instead of Wisconsin. 800-826-7320. Follow prompts for Bill in parts.

Thanks for your research. as far as I have seen this size is not made anymore in US and no metric size to replace.
looks like Kluge and Craftsman 10x15 and 12x18 use the same Bearings in roller arms to hold rollers.
Hope Mark/Andy keeps getting them.